No desktop after full image restore

I want to upgrade to a 1TB drive from a 320GB drive. I completed a Full backup of my c drive. I then installed my new drive and rebooted to the SP boot disk. I did a restore to the new drive. Rebooted and Windows comes up with the correct user log in screen. I log in and everything seems "normal".  Window says "Welcome" and then goes to "Preparing your desktop" which I've never seen before.  Then I get a message that says " Windows cannot access the specified device, path or file. You may not have the appropriate permisssions to acces the item".  I click Ok, then a blank screen. I tried making a new backup about three times with the same results. I am running Vista business, 32 bit. The backup and restore process seems pretty straight forward. Am I missing something?

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 

lowman55,

Just a few questions on your procedures to try and understand why the new HD won't boot.

Was the new HD installed and partitioned at the time the image of your OS was created?

Were both HDs connected when you tried the first boot from the new HD?

 Hopefully, it will be a one minute fix.

lowman55

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 Thanks for responding.

#1 If I understand your first question I would have to say yes. I formatted the new HD (1tb) before I created the the full backup from the existing HD (320gb). The full backup was saved to a 3rd HD.

I then used the SP boot disk and did a restore from the 3rd HD to the 1tb drive. The original (320gb) was not connected.

#2 No. When I rebooted after the restore the only drive connected with an O?S connected was the 1tb drive. I have an additional data drive connected as well. 

I hope I was clear. Thanks

 

 

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

lowman55,

Thanks. My questions related to Dan's rules. 

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.htm

These rules apply to restoring images as well as to cloning. Unfortunately, you broke Rule #1. You let the old OS (Vista) see the new partition before you created the image. When you restored the image to that partition it became confused as to which drive letter to use.

To correct this problem with WinXP you can use Method #3

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.htm#method3

But you have Vista and I haven't tested Method #3 with Vista. I don't know what will happen if you replace the Vista MBR with a Win98 MBR. It's OK to do this with WinXP. You have nothing to lose as the OS doesn't boot so I'd be inclined to use Clear Sig from BING as this will zero the Disk ID without affecting the Vista MBR. Need any help with Clear Sig?

I think Clear Sig will work (again, I haven't tried it with Vista) but if it doesn't you will have to repeat the imaging. This time do it with the new HD empty. Have no partitions on the new HD when the image of Vista is created.

 

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 I tried Clear Sig and fdisk /mbr with Windows 7. They don't work. Windows 7 wouldn't boot and requested a repair. I didn't do this but instead I restored the First Track (from a backup taken prior to zeroing the Disk ID) and Windows 7 booted.

It looks like you need to start again. Sorry.

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 Out of interest I tried Clear Sig on a Vista installation. Vista wouldn't then boot and requested a repair. I did a repair with the Vista DVD (took a minute or so) and Vista booted with recalculated drive letters. I had deliberately changed the drive letters of the optical drives before using Clear Sig. If you haven't already reimaged, this would be my approach to fix your problem. All done in a few minutes after you create a BING CD.

philipm785

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 If the restore was done again and the option to restore the disk signature was selected, wouldn't that solve the issue? It would make the O/S think the other drive had gone away, but the boot drive would still have the same signature Vista saw previously.

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 philipm785,

I can't be certain but I doubt it. I'm not set up to do that kind of test at present. 

Let me give an example which is a little different from this thread. Ghost 9, 10 etc can do partition clones. They call it "Copy My Hard Drive" but it is not a whole hard drive copy.  Let's say you have two HDs, the first HD has WinXP and the second HD has an empty primary partition, D:\ drive. If you clone the WinXP partition to the D:\ drive and copy the First Track too, you have copied the Disk ID from the first HD to the second HD. Then the first HD is removed and you try to boot from the second HD (now in the Master position). It won't boot and usually freezes at around the Welcome Screen stage, similar to what  lowman55 experienced. What I just described breaks Dan Goodell's Rule #1. With these Ghosts you must clone into unallocated space, or a partition without a drive letter, if you want the cloned OS to boot without "assistance".

MudCrab

Re: No desktop after full image restore

[quote user="Brian K"]

It won't boot and usually freezes at around the Welcome Screen stage, similar to what  lowman55 experienced.

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Brian,

Wouldn't this problem be easiest to fix by changing the drive letter assignments? I just did this a few minutes ago on a Vista restore that didn't come out as expected.

Once I got the error message, I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del and then started the Task Manager. From there, I started Explorer. I could see that C: was assigned to the wrong partition (the Windows 7 booting partition, in my case) and G: was assigned to the Vista partition. From the Task Manager, I started Regedit, browsed to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices key and renamed \DosDevices\C: to \DosDevices\Z:. Then I renamed the Vista partition from G: to C: (\DosDevices\G: to \DosDevices\C:), exited Regedit and rebooted. Vista came up fine and it only took a few seconds (much faster than booting to the Vista DVD or VistaPE to fix it).

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 MudCrab,

Do you know how to access the Registry of a non booting Vista? I've done something similar to what you mentioned with WinXP using the Registry EditorPE plugin from BartPE. However this plugin doesn't work with Vista. Or are you already accessing the Registry of a non booting Vista?

 

MudCrab

Re: No desktop after full image restore

[quote user="Brian K"]

Do you know how to access the Registry of a non booting Vista? I've done something similar to what you mentioned with WinXP using the Registry EditorPE plugin from BartPE. However this plugin doesn't work with Vista. Or are you already accessing the Registry of a non booting Vista?

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Brian,

In this case, I accessed the Registry of the "non-booting" Vista directly from itself. When you get the "Preparing desktop..." and the other error message stated in the first post, Vista is actually running and will allow you to run some programs (I just left the error message on the screen). By starting the Task Manager and then starting programs manually (like Explorer and Regedit), you can make the necessary changes without the need to use a rescue/repair CD/DVD. I just find this approach to be much faster and easier to fix this particular problem.

Otherwise, you can boot to either VistaPE or the VistaDVD and start Regedit. From there, you can load the hive from the Vista partition and make any necessary changes/corrections.

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 MudCrab,

That's brilliant. I didn't know you could run regedit from a Vista DVD or the ctrl-alt-delete technique. This method should be added to Dan Goodell's current three methods. Method 4#.

This is from one of Dan's posts in the Wilders Forum.

"So, to paraphrase mad64's procedure:

  1. note what drive letter the non-working XP (Pro, in this case) is supposed to have for itself (K:, in this case);

  2. boot the working XP (Home, in this case);
  3. determine what drive letter the working XP has given to the non-booting XP partition (G:, in this case);
  4. start regedit, highlight the [HKLM] branch, select the
    regedit option 'File->Load Hive', and load the file
    'G:\Windows\system32\config\system' under a {dummy} name;

  5. locate the two registry entries:
    [HKLM\System\MountedDevices\DosDevices\G:]
    [HKLM\{dummy}\MountedDevices\DosDevices\K:]

  6. Cut and paste the key value from 'System' to '{dummy}'.
  7. Highlight the {dummy} branch, select the regedit option 'File->Unload Hive', and exit regedit.

Done."

 

Did you use the same registry path in the Vista regedit?

Edit: I just realized you were in the Vista registry and didn't need to load a hive. Better still. Using a Vista DVD, you need to load a hive.

MudCrab

Re: No desktop after full image restore

[quote user="Brian K"]

I didn't know you could run regedit from a Vista DVD or the ctrl-alt-delete technique.

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Having a standard Command Prompt available from the Vista DVD is very powerful compared to the Recovery Console XP uses (which, in my opinion, is pretty much useless).

[quote user="Brian K"]

Did you use the same registry path in the Vista regedit?

[/quote]

The Registry path is the same. 

[quote user="Brian K"]

Using a Vista DVD, you need to load a hive.

[/quote]

Correct. Depending on how the system is messed up, this can be the only solution. The nice thing is that you don't need to have a multi-boot system or move the drive to another computer to get access to the files -- you can do it directly from the Command Prompt and Regedit in Vista's Repair Mode.

lowman55

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 I'm glad to see my little problem has generated some interest. Thanks to all that have replied. I finally got it done. I haven't been working on it all this time, work got in the way. My final resolve was to use Dan's method #2. I deleted the entries in regedit, just the ones for the new drive. I then did my backup. Then I used the SP boot disk and made my restore to the bigger HD. I booted up and crossed my fingers. It worked. I'm not sure if I needed to do the restore with the boot cd but I did any way.

I wanted to make sure SP worked the way I needed it to. All I need to do now is buy the key for the demo. 

Thanks again Brain for your help.

Brian K

Re: No desktop after full image restore

 lowman55,

Thanks for the feedback and I'm delighted you are on top again.

This has certainly been a most interesting thread and I'm a wiser man too. Strange how two "rules" of cloning/imaging can cause us problems that aren't related to the software we are using.

MudCrab

Re: No desktop after full image restore

[quote user="philipm785"]

 If the restore was done again and the option to restore the disk signature was selected, wouldn't that solve the issue? It would make the O/S think the other drive had gone away, but the boot drive would still have the same signature Vista saw previously.

[/quote]

If the restored Vista partition started on exactly the same sector offset as what Vista expects and the disk signature is the same, this may work. If the partition is moved, it wouldn't work.

FTTester

Re: No desktop after full image restore

lowman55,

If you have a Vista install CD, you should be able to boot into that and select the "Startup Repair" under recovery options.  

It will look for and correct corruption in the MBR (mainly disk signature and boot code) and then fix the BCD. You may have to run it twice.

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